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Name:請告知 2011-01-23 13:11:54
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Subject:PAO問題
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貴公司的機油所用的PAO配方是屬於PAO的哪個等級?在德國某個論壇上面有談到,目前德國政府已經不准使用舊的PAO當市用機油給消費者,2011年開始要用PAO Omega RT 以上的級數,煩請告知貴公司的PAO是甚麼級數的?
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Name:DLE 2011-01-23 14:51:47
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有問德國油廠PAO等級與POLYOL-ESTER等級還沒有回覆,應該是不會講屬於油廠商業機密,它有回覆說都是新的東西,不會在用舊的,請放心德國人做事的原則.只是德國油廠的姿態越來越高,我們賣得不錯打響它們知名度吧,現在有問題請教它們不太願意答覆,都推是商業機密.它們推出的產品真是好用,主要是品質穩定,可以信賴.
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Name:德國油廠回覆 2011-02-25 18:30:09
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regarding your questions: 關於您提問的問題答覆如下: a) Furthermore, we would like to inquiry that what level the polyolester oil that generally used in Germany and what level the oil that your company uses belongs to? 另請問請教德國油廠多元醇酯等級與 貴公司機油所使用的PAO配方是屬於哪一等級? As you should know the final formulation of a synthetic motor oil mainly based on PAO base stocks belongs to particular requirements given by official and / or internal specifications of the OEM´s. 我想你們應該知道,合成機油最後主要是根據OEM’s官方及/或內部規定的PAO基礎油所組成的 Further on additional specific requirement hints from client side such as nicer friction properties, better sealing compatibilities, lower pour points e.g. may lead to particular client adopted formulations with slightly varied formulations in contrary to the “original” recipes. 此外,根據客戶的額外需求,像是更好的耐磨性質,密封的適合性,傾點較低等特性也可能會讓一些特定客戶使用與一般油調配稍微不同的配方 Your DLE recipes are such ones, synthetic motor oils with well-balanced PAO-/Ester structure in correct wt.-% ratios of both base fluids exactly adapted to your market inquiries. 而你們DLE的配方就是這等的機油,像你們的合成機油就十分符合市場的需求,是在正確比例下酯類結構完整的合成油 I hope that I understood Your question correctly so that I´d convince You in the right way from the pretty good quality of the DLE oils You bought from us. 希望我有確實瞭解您們的問題,這樣我才能正確地說明您們所向我們購買的DLE油是品質優良的。 b) We have heard that the old PAO is no longer allowed to sell in Germany. 聽說在德國某個論壇上有談到,目前德國政府已經不准使用舊的PAO當市用機油給消費者。 The PAO quality is strictly fixed on specifications which are given since many years without any deviations as I know. 據我知道,PAO的品質依據許多年前的規格嚴格的訂下. Perhaps You have heard that there were limitations of volumes of PAO base stocks due to the fact that India and China soaked off all the PAO, Esters from the European market for their own manufacturing purposes, because their own PAO- and Ester production was formerly too low. 也許你已聽說PAO基礎油的數量已被限制,因為印度和中國之前的生產量太低,所以為了他們生產的目地而向歐洲大量進口PAO和合成油的貨量。 But this only influences the price level negatively explaining a price increase of 35cent per liter as of 01.02.2011. … not longer allowed to sell that is a tale. 但這只負面影響到價格,所以自今年1月2日起每公升調漲35cent,因此你所聽說不能販賣舊PAO的訊息只是謠傳。 c) Only PAO omega RT or higher level is allowed in market from 2011. Would you please let us know what level of your company PAO is? 2011年起要用PAO Omega RT 以上的級數,可否煩請告知貴公司PAO是甚麼級數的? Our PAO sources are well-known ones (mainly Fortum) and their PAO are top-tier qualities. 我們的PAO來源都是來自一些知名品牌(主要是Fortum),而他們的PAO品質都是很高等的。 d) We also would like to know What PAO level you have use in DLE products? 我們也想瞭解你們使用的DLE產品PAO是什麼級數的? The PAO-dosage ratios depend on particular DLE product as we agreed. PAO級數會因我們所使用的DLE產品不同而異 Dr. Bock sent you specific information regarding your products: 柏克博士傳送給一份有關您們產品報告: “We spoke about the motor oils 5W50 (Article no. 20116) and 5W60 (Article no. 20117) and their features. 我們有談論到5W50機油和5W60機油及它們的特性: We can guarantee that these both a.m. products have the following benefits: - very good shear stability (even under high performance conditions at higher temperatures) - superior wear protection - extraordinary corrosion and ageing inhibition - good deep temperature behaviour and last not least - low evaporation loss. 我們保證這些產品具有以下優點: 剪削稳定性良好(即使在高溫高性能下) 抗磨保護優越 防腐防損化效果卓越 低溫下表現良好 低揮發性損失 Furtheron we may give you the following inputs concerning the base oils incorporated: 5W50 (20116) contains >45% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyolester 5W60 (20117) consists of >55% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyolester. All of these incorporated PAO and Polyesters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 另外我可以提供你們以下混合基礎油的含量 5W50 (20116)含 >45% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 5W60 (20117) 含 >55% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 All of these incorporated PAO and Polyolesters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 以上混合PAO和多元醇酯之後剪穩定和水解性穩定酯類一樣良好。