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Name:DLE 2011-02-25 18:22:33
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Subject:車友之前詢問PAO等級-德國油廠給予回覆德力機油使用高品質基礎油符合現在大馬力車需求,德國油廠說用料實在(調配出正確比率).
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regarding your questions: 關於您提問的問題答覆如下: a) Furthermore, we would like to inquiry that what level the polyolester oil that generally used in Germany and what level the oil that your company uses belongs to? 另請問請教德國油廠多元醇酯等級與 貴公司機油所使用的PAO配方是屬於哪一等級? As you should know the final formulation of a synthetic motor oil mainly based on PAO base stocks belongs to particular requirements given by official and / or internal specifications of the OEM´s. 我想你們應該知道,合成機油最後主要是根據OEM’s官方及/或內部規定的PAO基礎油所組成的 Further on additional specific requirement hints from client side such as nicer friction properties, better sealing compatibilities, lower pour points e.g. may lead to particular client adopted formulations with slightly varied formulations in contrary to the “original” recipes. 此外,根據客戶的額外需求,像是更好的耐磨性質,密封的適合性,傾點較低等特性也可能會讓一些特定客戶使用與一般油調配稍微不同的配方 Your DLE recipes are such ones, synthetic motor oils with well-balanced PAO-/Ester structure in correct wt.-% ratios of both base fluids exactly adapted to your market inquiries. 而你們DLE的配方就是這等的機油,像你們的合成機油就十分符合市場的需求,是在正確比例下酯類結構完整的合成油 I hope that I understood Your question correctly so that I´d convince You in the right way from the pretty good quality of the DLE oils You bought from us. 希望我有確實瞭解您們的問題,這樣我才能正確地說明您們所向我們購買的DLE油是品質優良的。 b) We have heard that the old PAO is no longer allowed to sell in Germany. 聽說在德國某個論壇上有談到,目前德國政府已經不准使用舊的PAO當市用機油給消費者。 The PAO quality is strictly fixed on specifications which are given since many years without any deviations as I know. 據我知道,PAO的品質依據許多年前的規格嚴格的訂下. Perhaps You have heard that there were limitations of volumes of PAO base stocks due to the fact that India and China soaked off all the PAO, Esters from the European market for their own manufacturing purposes, because their own PAO- and Ester production was formerly too low. 也許你已聽說PAO基礎油的數量已被限制,因為印度和中國之前的生產量太低,所以為了他們生產的目地而向歐洲大量進口PAO和合成油的貨量。 But this only influences the price level negatively explaining a price increase of 35cent per liter as of 01.02.2011. … not longer allowed to sell that is a tale. 但這只負面影響到價格,所以自今年1月2日起每公升調漲35cent,因此你所聽說不能販賣舊PAO的訊息只是謠傳。 c) Only PAO omega RT or higher level is allowed in market from 2011. Would you please let us know what level of your company PAO is? 2011年起要用PAO Omega RT 以上的級數,可否煩請告知貴公司PAO是甚麼級數的? Our PAO sources are well-known ones (mainly Fortum) and their PAO are top-tier qualities. 我們的PAO來源都是來自一些知名品牌(主要是Fortum),而他們的PAO品質都是很高等的。 d) We also would like to know What PAO level you have use in DLE products? 我們也想瞭解你們使用的DLE產品PAO是什麼級數的? The PAO-dosage ratios depend on particular DLE product as we agreed. PAO級數會因我們所使用的DLE產品不同而異
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Name:DLE 2011-02-26 04:35:23
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以下是為我們開發出來的產品特性---也是德力機油要求高品質,德國油廠實驗室這位化工博士帶領團隊研發出來.給予德力機油肯定的資料.-----------------這是我們特別要求的機油成分.-----------------------這是我們所要的答案. Dr. Bock sent you specific information regarding your products: 柏克博士傳送給一份有關您們產品報告: “We spoke about the motor oils 5W50 (Article no. 20116) and 5W60 (Article no. 20117) and their features. 我們有談論到5W50機油和5W60機油及它們的特性: We can guarantee that these both a.m. products have the following benefits: - very good shear stability (even under high performance conditions at higher temperatures) - superior wear protection - extraordinary corrosion and ageing inhibition - good deep temperature behaviour and last not least - low evaporation loss. 我們保證這些產品具有以下優點: 剪削稳定性良好(即使在高溫高性能下) 抗磨保護優越 防腐防損化效果卓越 低溫下表現良好 低揮發性損失 Furtheron we may give you the following inputs concerning the base oils incorporated: 5W50 (20116) contains >45% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyolester 5W60 (20117) consists of >55% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyolester. All of these incorporated PAO and Polyesters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 另外我可以提供你們以下混合基礎油的含量 5W50 (20116)含 >45% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 5W60 (20117) 含 >55% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 All of these incorporated PAO and Polyolesters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 以上混合PAO和多元醇酯之後剪穩定和水解性穩定酯類一樣良好。
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Name:DLE 2011-02-28 03:20:30
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我們能體諒車友對機油知識渴望,你們是隔了一道牆.只能被大油廠與車廠封鎖一切資訊.它們是鉔大錢把你們鎖住,你們只能以機油瓶子外觀與標籤認知有限.裡面機油成分才是真內容,沒有接觸到油廠研發工程師你是無法了解.修超跑技術部副理說他們是被原廠蒙蔽很久,照單全收對著機油瓶子外觀自圓其說.和我接觸把這幾年與德國油廠接觸到資訊跟他述說他才了解這其中機油瓶子內成分的機密.難怪用起來和原廠認證機油品質差一大截.我們討論中向他說好的產品都是要求研發製造出來的,現有的產品是沒有此成分.品質是控制在自己手中自己堅持.(也是這幾年我們一直向德國油廠實驗室工程師一直挖掘他們的資料,一有疑問就向他們追根就底.他們研發出來機油是符合我們當時向德國油實驗室要求高品質的產品超越所有市受機油.)也感謝車友使用後提供我們寶貴意見雙方有互動,我們沒有封鎖資訊提供給車友參考.今天才有德力高品質機油服務車友,只要是對車友有正面幫助的資訊,我們不會封鎖不公開.有互動產品品質才會進步.一道牆之隔資訊就差很多,太多進口油商他們不喜歡公開資訊也怕麻煩,有錢賺最好,因這些資料要對方給不給要耗時間.我們等了將近三年.用嘴巴講與實際參與那是差很多.
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Name:DLE 2011-03-02 15:33:35
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翻譯重新修改過:------------- regarding your questions: 關於您提問的問題答覆如下: a) Furthermore, we would like to inquiry that what level the polyol-ester oil that generally used in Germany and what level the oil that your company uses belongs to? 另請問請教德國油廠多元醇酯等級與 貴公司機油所使用的PAO配方是屬於哪一等級? As you should know the final formulation of a synthetic motor oil mainly based on PAO base stocks belongs to particular requirements given by official and / or internal specifications of the OEM´s. 我想你們應該知道,合成機油最後主要是根據OEM’s官方及/或內部規定的PAO基礎油所組成的 Further on additional specific requirement hints from client side such as nicer friction properties, better sealing compatibilities, lower pour points e.g. may lead to particular client adopted formulations with slightly varied formulations in contrary to the “original” recipes. 此外,根據客戶的額外需求,像是更好的耐磨性質,密封的適合性,傾點較低等特性也可能會讓一些特定客戶使用與一般油調配稍微不同的配方 Your DLE recipes are such ones, synthetic motor oils with well-balanced PAO-/Ester structure in correct wt.-% ratios of both base fluids exactly adapted to your market inquiries. 而你們DLE的配方就是這等的機油,像你們的合成機油就十分符合視常的需求,是在正確比例下酯類結構完整的合成油 I hope that I understood Your question correctly so that I´d convince You in the right way from the pretty good quality of the DLE oils You bought from us. 希望我有確實瞭解您們的問題,這樣我才能正確地說明您們所向我們購買的DLE油是品質優良的。 b) We have heard that the old PAO is no longer allowed to sell in Germany. 聽說在德國某個論壇上有談到,目前德國政府已經不准使用舊的PAO當市用機油給消費者。 The PAO quality is strictly fixed on specifications which are given since many years without any deviations as I know. 據我知道,PAO的品質依據許多年前的規格嚴格的訂下. Perhaps You have heard that there were limitations of volumes of PAO base stocks due to the fact that India and China soaked off all the PAO, Esters from the European market for their own manufacturing purposes, because their own PAO- and Ester production was formerly too low. 也許你已聽說PAO基礎油的生產量有限制,因為之前印度和中國的PAO基礎油與酯類生產量太低,所以為了他們生產的目的, 向歐洲市場大量進口PAO和合成油以及酯類的貨量。 But this only influences the price level negatively explaining a price increase of 35cent per liter as of 01.02.2011. … not longer allowed to sell that is a tale. 但這只負面影響到價格,所以自今年2月1日起每公升調漲35cent,因此你所聽說不能販賣PAO的訊息只是謠傳。 c) Only PAO omega RT or higher level is allowed in market from 2011. Would you please let us know what level of your company PAO is? 2011年起要用PAO Omega RT 以上的級數,可否煩請告知貴公司PAO是甚麼級數的? Our PAO sources are well-known ones (mainly Fortum) and their PAO are top-tier qualities. 我們的PAO來源都是來自一些知名品牌(主要是Fortum),而他們的PAO品質都是很高等的。 d) We also would like to know What PAO level you have use in DLE products? 我們也想瞭解你們使用的DLE產品PAO是什麼級數的? The PAO-dosage ratios depend on particular DLE product as we agreed. PAO級數會因我們所使用的DLE產品不同而異 Dr. Bock sent you specific information regarding your products: 柏克博士傳送給一份有關您們產品報告: “We spoke about the motor oils 5W50 (Article no. 20116) and 5W60 (Article no. 20117) and their features. 我們有談論到5W50機油和5W60機油及它們的特性: We can guarantee that these both a.m. products have the following benefits: - very good shear stability (even under high performance conditions at higher temperatures) - superior wear protection - extraordinary corrosion and ageing inhibition - good deep temperature behaviour and last not least - low evaporation loss. 我們保證這些產品具有以下優點: 剪削穩定性良好(即使在高溫高性能下) 抗磨保護優越 防腐防損化效果卓越 低溫下表現良好 低揮發性損失 Furtheron we may give you the following inputs concerning the base oils incorporated: 5W50 (20116) contains >45% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyol-ester 5W60 (20117) consists of >55% PAO (Polyalphaolefins) plus Polyol-ester. All of these incorporated PAO and Polyol-esters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 另外我可以提供你們以下混合基礎油的含量 5W50 (20116) 含 超過 45% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 5W60 (20117) 含 超過 55% PAO (聚α-烯烴) 加多元醇酯 All of these incorporated PAO and Polyol-esters are very shear-stable as well as thermal- & hydrolytical-stable ones.” 以上混合的PAO和多元醇酯都是削剪穩定, 水解性穩定, 高溫下穩定的酯類。